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win immys and oscars. this year we have some of the best films we have ever been privileged to showcase. they tackle the biggest issues of the last 18 months from democracy and covid to race and history. that's where we're going to start. the film you are about to see is called "meltdown in dixie." and looks at trying to heal the wounds of violence. we hope you enjoy it. ♪♪

>> my name is tommy. big old quarter pounders all beef. when i bought the creamery, i saw a beautiful park. i said, what a nice life. >> what kind of ice cream do you want? enjoy, baby. thank you. >> but if i could rewind this whole situation, i would have never came to south carolina in the first place. made a little ice cream shop to sell ice cream cones in a park and here i am in the middle of this crap hole. >> a confederate flag. >> the flag flies on top this

pole. >> but the flag is not owned by this ice cream parlor. >> the sons of confederate veterans own the tiny piece of property where the flag stands. >> that flag is not mine. it's a piece of property that the confederate veterans own. initially, he accepted the flag, but that changed in the aftermath of the 2015 church shooting in charleston. >> breaking news, a moot shooting in downtown charleston. >> nine people have been killed inside an african-american church. >> uncovered a photo of him posing with a con fete rat flag. >> after the charleston shooting, the confederate veterans came out with a flag that was three times as large. people screaming at me, calling me a racist.

i said, something is gonna happen. >> after nearly 20 years of flying, the confederate flag is being removed from an orangeberg business. >> that flag is coming down. >> no, it ain't. >> we want it on our property. why should we compromise. >> i would have never sate 5, 10 years ago that i thought that was the most racist thing in the world. standing here, i feel these people's hearts. >> we'll let a judge decide that. >> fine. >> are you still gonna try to take it down? >> absolutely. there will be no stopping me at this point.

>> we came down here because of the fishing and the nice people we've met. and then my wife debby and i got bored and this little restaurant looked like a good opportunity. it belonged to maurice's barbecue shop, and it was in need of repair. wasn't worried about the rebel flag. i never deemed that as racist. i mean, it was history to me. and it was cool because it was like a rebel flag. that meant to us in maryland that we were against the grain. you know, you were a badass. when i lived in maryland, i was a race car driver. we had a rebel flag not on the car, but we had a flag pole by the race car, especially when we go up north because we were the guys from town south, the guys to be.

i was cleaning out my closets. found this in the closet. i would wear this in public anywhere i went without a problem. when it became what it is today, my wife said there is no place for that on a race team. i'm not a racist by any means or a hater. the closet was probably the best place for it. >> my name is buzz braxton, and i'm the lieutenant commander at rebel brigades son of confederate veterans camp 842. this the general robert e. lee, probably the greatest man that ever walked the face of this earth. a lot of people don't understand some of the confederate values. the confederate battle flag is

the soldier flag, our ancestors. that's why we're so proud of it. >> it is your duty to see that the true history of the south is presented to future generations. and that's what we try to do. and that's a tough job. here's a picture of maurice. he was down there right where the flag pole is selling confederate stuff. >> i'm maurice bessinger. the south shall rise again. mr. maurice was a member of this camp. he owned and operated nine barbecue restaurants. >> after almost four decades and a bitter debate, south carolina removed the confederate flag. >> after 38 years, the flag began its dissent down the flag

pole. >> july the 1st, 2000, the flag was taken off the dome in columbus. >> i raised the flag out here to protest the taking down of our heritage flag. it went up in orangeburg that same day. >> mr. maurice called me one day and asked me if we would like to have the little piece of property where the flag is. that was one last thing he needed to worry about. after the incident in charleston, the whole emphasis changed to the flag. i said if the flag is gonna be under attack, the bigger the better. better hey only pay for what they need. woooooooooooooo...

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to the kkk. when they bought that property, they knew the flag was there. what they didn't know was what the culture was like here in south carolina, more specifically in orangeburg. >> orangeburg is 60% black according to the 2010 consensus. that makes me a minority. >> there is a racial divide in orangeburg. i guess that's got a lot to do with history. i feel like sometimes we've done something wrong to them, even though that's happened years ago. >> even though i do see whites and blacks all around and they could be in the same vicinity, everybody know what's going on.

>> after that original showdown at the creamery, we said, let's look at the law. local government, they can't regulate speech but they can regulate uses of the property. and okay, let's look at zoning. this is the actual zoning map. you can zoom in and you see, that's us right there. that entire area is zoned business commercial. that's it. this is the little piece that this fight is over. how is 0.003 acres a legitimate business commercial piece of property? it's not. the sons of confederate veterans want to use that piece of property to keep maurice bessinger's hateful legacy living on into perpetuity. >> a battle to move a confederate flag that flies next

to an ice cream shop continues tonight. >> they took their concerns to the city with hopes that the zoning of where that flag sits could be challenged. >> what's up, man? >> what's happening you. >> i have jurisdiction over this in a public way and maybe just clear the record. >> i was contacted by camp 8242. the issues that were being presented were the very foundation of what our american constitution is made up of. and the constitution is very important to me being an attorney and being an american. >> good evening, ladies and gentlemen. we will now call the board of zoning meeting to order. >> this particular area was zoned b1 general commercial. the moment that maurice

bessinger dubsy vieded that property into two separate parcels, each parcel was then required to comply with you all's zoning ordinances. this property is intended to be used and it has been used for well over ten years as a historical marker. zero commercial use. and i would ask that you find that this piece of property, flag included, does violate the city of orangeburg's zoning ordinances. >> i can't keep up with that bull. >> with all due respect, that was a beautiful argument that was made, but this is not the forum to handle a piece of property that has been deeded to a private entity with no problems. there are being some raised. but uniquely, they're being raised schematically all across the united states of america. this is first amendment speech. it behoove the leadership of

this group to not overturn a well founded decision by the zoning that falls in accordance with the law. thank you. >> i'm david, zoning administrator. the current use is flying the confederate flag and maintaining a monument. the city of orangeburg does not regulate the use of flags by zoning or any other regulation. therefore, the property is in compliance. >> all in favor of upholding the motion about zoning administrator, let it be known by showing of your right hand. any opposed? so the zoning board has agreed upon the decision that the zoning administrator made. thank you. the meeting is adjourned. [ applause ] >> we lost. for an issue that is this contentious. i would be hesitant to rule against the sons of the

confederate veterans. >> pass the word. >> already have. already have. >> love you, brother. >> love you, too, man. >> they went through the path of least resistance. >> i think they got it wrong personally, but we'll deal with it. >> the confederate flag flying on the side of a ice cream parlor is igniing concerning. >> his business has been vandalized multiple times. his employees have been harassed and a riot started outside his shop. >> keep that flag flying! >> this peg is where their

property line is, and that peg there when you stand out here for a moment, they're hollering take it down or leave it alone or, you know, f you. my wife thinks the sons of the confederacy are going to burn our house down and she's up all times of the night. it's aggravating me she's going through all this suffering. >> so i guess you know in this big old world, it's not perfect these days, is it? >> no, ma'am. >> but jesus what? >> loves you. >> like so much. >> i was in the doctor's office one day, and a lady said to me, i heard you people beat up black people. that's the kind of rumors that went around. she had some of her grandchildren with her. i said you bring those babies to my bible study on wednesday night and you will know what we're about. >> you need to have what? faith. it's so stressful. and it's so sad because i want

to -- i want to please everybody. i want to love everybody. and sometimes i often wonder, god, why did you bring me to this place? why did you bring me to this town? why? >> you may all be seated. for those of you who have not heard or do not know, we did have a wonderful victory in orangeburg. our flag will continue to fly. i hope it will continue to fly forever. >> can't pay a lot of attention to what you see in the news media. don't read any modern books because they're -- they're extremely slanted. but if you read the original accounts, you'll find the real

reasons that both sides fought. ♪♪ i wish i was in the land of cotton ♪♪ old nights there are not forgotten ♪♪ look away ♪♪ look away ♪♪ look away dixieland. >> the second coming of the command used the battleground and then some groups carry a swastika and a battle flag. it got misappropriated. but that does not mean that it wasn't honorable that those men from 1861 to 1865 carried it. >> this heritage, this symbol of the south is part of dixie. >> segregation has been over for a while and for something like

that to still be appearing in a small town like this, it is still creating division. >> why take it down? the blacks ought to be proud of that flag that they found under, just like the whites. >> it needs to come down, along with all these other statues and symbols of supremacy. they need to come down. >> i can remember maurice barbecue and making racial slurs to us. i wouldn't dare go in there. when it changed to the creamery, we were glad because it was a positive image there. the owner told us that he was trying to get the flag down. we all decided to bring it down so he began the proper

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circuit court. it removes that political element that is realistically there on the local level. >> it is very much changing around me and everybody else. it's just you see a lot that you don't want to be comfortable with. i try not to use the n word, but if there is somebody out there just doing everything wrong in their behavior, in their conduct, i might say that word. and i can't say that i would

apologize for it. >> the day i fight the zoning challenge, that next morning, my dogs are barking and i go look out my door and there is a pickup truck pulling in my driveway. did somebody come to the wrong house at night? i don't know. but when you pair that with what was going on, it makes you a little nervous. i've had conversations with people. they see the fight that we're in

with the sons of confederate veterans over zoning, and they literally are like, wait, isn't orangeburg like 60% to 70% black? why is bringing down that flag even a topic of discussion. it should have been down. you have to let them know that white supremacy has its roots everywhere. orangeburg is no different. you know, orangeburg is home to one of the worst things that's ever happened in terms of civil rights in south carolina. students were protesting for the integration of the local bowling alley. fearing violence, the governor sent in the south carolina

highway patrol. one night the patrol broke out in gunfire killing three students and injuring 28 others. it was 50 years ago. but that's not something that people in town had forgotten. it's kind of like the shadows of the shark era are constantly on you. and i think some people just don't want to think about the confederacy or think about what it means or what it meant. you would have this expectation that when you do have black leaders in a city that on issues like this they will be very bold. they will be very outspoken. and a lot of times they aren't. not everybody in government or in politics is comfortable with what comes with bucking a system that's been in place for 400

years. as long as there are confederate monuments everywhere, white supremacy will always be here. >> i just don't know what to do. >> the community, the city council, the city administrator, one of them are helping to get this thing going. i think they've got someone to make sure it won't come down. it sucks. >> the controversy over a confederate flag continues tonight. >> justin and i have tried to exhaust all reasonable avenues, and it's just not working. >> tommy is now threatening to

remove the flag and confederate marker himself. >> maurice bessinger planned it just so he could shove that flag up everybody's ass for ternity. >> what if i donate this whole property to the sons of the confederacy and they put flags and swastikas and over. is the city going to be okay with that? no. so they better get their asses onboard. >> i'm just getting ready for pick up. >> who's picking it up? >> the sons of confederacy. i donated it to them. most days go by without something happening. >> okay. since we were here last, you can

see where he's been digging around the monument. he's undoubtedly trying to cause so much chaos that somebody will overreact. i just don't understand. i just don't understand. >> i want people to know that our ancestors were good people. most of them didn't have slaves. now i've told people all along that was the best thing that ever happened to folks that came over. they would not be driving bmws today had their ancestors

remained in africa because they would have been eaten by other tribes or eaten by lions and tigers. i know that ain't politically correct to say, but it's true. >> my father had a grocery store in washington, d.c. in 1968 i was about 12, my father was working his store, and they were expecting a rack. about 10:00 that night we get a

phone call, his store burned to the ground. i'll never forget this. my father stood in front of the store and cried. my father was a huge thing. and in the meantime, i saw black people lining up over here, and it was like, you know, like, dad, these guys -- all these people are lining up. >> my father says, i don't know those people. so the first one walked up to my dad and said, hey, i owe you money, and i would like to pay it. she said, i think it's $12 and some cents. she paid. within minutes the line grew and people paid my dad money. and my father never had a racist bone in his body.

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this morning new details over a dispute over the confederate flag flying over an orangeburg restaurant is unfolding before a circuit court judge. >> we're continuing here at an appellate hearing today. i'm standing before martin luther king jr., quote, which says injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere, and i feel that, too, in my heart. there is a real assault on our traditions, our history, and particularly the confederacy. >> everybody else here has jury duty. >> when i rise up and i see that flag, i think about the fact that as a kid i used to ride by there and be afraid.

this is not a challenge to just the flag on a flag pole. we are challenging the underlying use of the property. and now as a man i get to ride by there and think i could play a role to make it go away. that's a pretty dope dream. >> so the judge, she's going to review it. >> she's going to go through the argument presented today. she's going to look at the record. and then she's going to reach her decision. so now we're going to have to wait. >> sometimes i wonder if old maurice wasn't up there chuckling. look at buzz. he's catching hell down there. he's doing all right. >> the sons of confederate veterans have staunch feelings about the fact that some of their ancestors fought in the civil war for the confederacy.

but if you were to give half of those members the original documents of south carolina succeeding from the union, most of them probably either haven't read it, refuse to read it because they know what it says or read it and say, yeah, but that's not why my ancestor fought. >> i'm not going to say that slavery was not in any way, shape or form involved in the decisions about succession. but those men did not leave their family and their home and their warm bed to go to fight so somebody could own a slave.

declaration of the immediate cause which justified the succession of south carolina from the federal union. a geographical line has been drawn across the union, and all the states north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of president of the united states whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. the slave holding states will no longer have the power of self-government, and the federal government will have to become their enemy. if you want to come with me and say that its sole purpose was slavery, so be it if that's your desire. but if we agree to disagree, that would be our right, you

know? because i admit it, that slavery played a part in it. slavery was a factor, but there was other things involved. >> if you stand for an institution that supported slavery and you don't denounce that and you choose to ignore it, i think that implicitly means that somewhere in you you were okay with it. >> new developments tonight, a circuit court judge agrees that the confederate flag instead of the creamery does not violate the city of orangeburg's zoning ordinance. the owner of the creamery now says because it affects his

business, he closed that shop and is now selling it. >> here's my closed down little store. it is all gone. it just -- it's not comfortable to be here. >> i feel sorry for him. i think that people couldn't differentiate between this property being someone else and this property be the creamer. >> i think it's sad that nothing that plants there is going to be successful as long as that is not solved. i do feel like i have been pushed out. but we knew exactly what happened when they put that flag

up when the people were killed in charleston. we knew exactly what was going on. and that wasn't our heart. >> now it's closed and it's over. i'm very relieved. at the end of the day, getting my family away from here and moving back to familiar people and places is just a plus. >> shop closed. this shop is closed. >> our success in orangeburg had inspired other people to stand up. >> everybody else is taking them down and we're putting them up. >> yeah, yeah. >> today we're raising the first confederate battle flag on i-95 in south carolina. [ applause ]

>> when a liberal, also known as libtard comes down the road and it offends them to see a battle flag, that's what we want. because anything to do. we want to keep ours. >> do you worry there will be a day when the confederate flag does not fly in orangeburg? >> yeah. how can you help not to worry about it? i don't dwell on it, but there are times when i can foresee and i worry about there not being a confederate flag flying in the city of orangeburg.

or the majority of the united states. [ crowd chanting ] >> anger, frustration, pouring into the streets of america. huge numbers of people coming up in every single state in the country, standing together to say this is not acceptable any more. black lives matter. >> black lives matter! black lives matter! >> african american ahmaud arbery is seen running. george floyd repeatedly cried "my neck hurts, i can't breathe". >> breonna taylor shot eight times and killed by police. >> don't shoot! >> all across the nation community members have been challenging their local and

state governments to take down confederate statues. >> what do we want? >> justice! >> councilmembers in orangeburg will vote on a resolution to remove a confederate statue. >> members want the 127-year-old confederate statue at courthouse square removed. >> when team say it's our heritage, it's not my heritage. when i think of confederate anything, i'm in fear. it's one of those things where you can't talk about it or you don't say anything about it, but we are in a time where we have a voice. we are here today because, of course, the mayor and city council are meeting on the resolution in regards to the statue. >> we just hope that city will remove the statue from downtown square along with renaming the drive. >> rename this community. >> where do you live?

>> orangeburg. >> those symbols are a part of the symbol of pregs against my people. >> remove the racist statues and names in orangeburg. the confederate flag. we called the mayor's office, the councilmembers. >> i'm excited to see what's going on in orangeburg. we're seeing people who want change. and they are not asking for change. they are demanding it. as we continue, we got to do a much better job collectively of being willing to fight the fight when it ain't the popular thing to do. and if we can keep doing that, keep pushing for change and we can keep standing up to people who stand behind institutions of bigotry and hate and slavery under the guise of heritage, we'll get there.

>> and i look forward to the day when i jump in my car and come into orangeburg that confederate flag is no longer flying there.

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